1 00:00:08,169 --> 00:00:05,860 [Music] 2 00:00:10,370 --> 00:00:08,179 alright ladies and gentlemen we got a 3 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:10,380 spectacular guest this afternoon 4 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:11,940 that's gonna be speaking to us about his 5 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:15,150 new book somewhere in the skies and on 6 00:00:19,429 --> 00:00:17,369 the show everybody knows that listens we 7 00:00:21,620 --> 00:00:19,439 talk about UFOs all the time because I 8 00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:21,630 personally as well as cam have a deep 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:23,310 fascination when it comes to the subject 10 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:23,850 of UFOs 11 00:00:29,179 --> 00:00:26,910 whether it's Roswell or Rendlesham 12 00:00:31,510 --> 00:00:29,189 forest or alien abduction I just did a 13 00:00:34,970 --> 00:00:31,520 show last Monday on alien abductions 14 00:00:36,470 --> 00:00:34,980 Ryan's new book is is very interesting 15 00:00:38,330 --> 00:00:36,480 is that he's approached it in a new way 16 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:38,340 if you listen to our show and listen to 17 00:00:42,170 --> 00:00:39,840 the interviews we do we try to have 18 00:00:43,970 --> 00:00:42,180 guests on that not only write about the 19 00:00:46,430 --> 00:00:43,980 subjects were interested in but approach 20 00:00:48,979 --> 00:00:46,440 it in a new way and that's what he's 21 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:48,989 done is he's talking about not he's 22 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:50,610 collected a massive amount of UFO 23 00:00:53,779 --> 00:00:52,260 sightings that all these people have had 24 00:00:55,850 --> 00:00:53,789 whether they're military pilots whether 25 00:00:57,410 --> 00:00:55,860 they're just normal people and also 26 00:01:00,470 --> 00:00:57,420 people that have been abducted by aliens 27 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:00,480 and what we take away from him is the 28 00:01:04,820 --> 00:01:02,489 experiences they have and how it's 29 00:01:07,010 --> 00:01:04,830 changed their beliefs on everything 30 00:01:09,289 --> 00:01:07,020 they've had just by seeing some of these 31 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:09,299 things and so I'd like to welcome Ryan 32 00:01:13,310 --> 00:01:11,729 Sprague how are you doing Ryan ah so 33 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:13,320 good thank you so much for having me 34 00:01:17,810 --> 00:01:15,900 guys it's definitely an honor yeah man I 35 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:17,820 really enjoyed your book like you said 36 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:19,740 like I said you sent it over we read 37 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:22,290 about it I meant I did see when it was 38 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:23,729 coming out four weeks before it actually 39 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:25,710 had dropped now Richard Dolan he's the 40 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:27,810 one he's your publisher right that's 41 00:01:30,679 --> 00:01:28,290 correct 42 00:01:31,999 --> 00:01:30,689 yeah I saw him you know messaging out on 43 00:01:33,469 --> 00:01:32,009 the social media and stuff about it so I 44 00:01:35,090 --> 00:01:33,479 got excited I was like oh I want to see 45 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:35,100 what he has to say and of course you 46 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:37,020 sent it over we read it and I had I told 47 00:01:41,539 --> 00:01:38,400 cameras like you got to check this out 48 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:41,549 cam read it and I guess to start the 49 00:01:45,590 --> 00:01:43,530 interview off you had an experience 50 00:01:47,780 --> 00:01:45,600 yourself when did that take place and 51 00:01:50,330 --> 00:01:47,790 can he give the audience some idea what 52 00:01:51,310 --> 00:01:50,340 you experienced absolutely yeah the 53 00:01:53,899 --> 00:01:51,320 origin story 54 00:01:56,179 --> 00:01:53,909 yeah that's everybody's always like I'll 55 00:01:59,660 --> 00:01:56,189 get you into it so here we go yeah yeah 56 00:02:03,499 --> 00:01:59,670 you got him I gotta ease into it so yeah 57 00:02:07,969 --> 00:02:03,509 I I did have a UFO sighting when I was 58 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:07,979 12 years old this was in 1995 and I was 59 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:10,709 on a weekend getaway with my parents to 60 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:13,110 the st. Lawrence River rich 61 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:15,510 runs all through upstate New York and 62 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:18,510 sort of separates the New York border 63 00:02:24,470 --> 00:02:22,590 from Canada so I was an avid fisherman 64 00:02:27,770 --> 00:02:24,480 I've been doing it since I was even 65 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:27,780 younger than 12 and I loved doing it at 66 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:30,660 night so I would go out on the dock at 67 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:32,250 the hotel we were staying at for this 68 00:02:35,930 --> 00:02:33,270 weekend getaway 69 00:02:38,930 --> 00:02:35,940 I had my discman and my headphones on I 70 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:38,940 was listening to uh Dukie the Green Day 71 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:39,420 album 72 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:41,040 I actually remember that till this day 73 00:02:48,550 --> 00:02:46,410 and I was really my line in and I 74 00:02:51,590 --> 00:02:48,560 noticed these three white lights 75 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:51,600 reflecting in the water so you know 76 00:02:58,190 --> 00:02:53,730 naturally I look up I'm expecting to see 77 00:03:01,370 --> 00:02:58,200 a plane whizzing by and I say probably 78 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:01,380 about two three hundred feet up maybe 79 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:05,760 there is this triangular formation with 80 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:08,610 three distinct white lights and there's 81 00:03:16,790 --> 00:03:13,290 a fuzzy orange kind of reddish sphere in 82 00:03:18,979 --> 00:03:16,800 the center now I couldn't see any type 83 00:03:22,460 --> 00:03:18,989 of structure but I also could not see 84 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:22,470 the stars behind it so you know it had 85 00:03:27,380 --> 00:03:24,630 to be some sort of triangular craft at 86 00:03:28,970 --> 00:03:27,390 least that's kind of what I assumed so 87 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:28,980 you know I started flipping out I ripped 88 00:03:34,009 --> 00:03:31,110 my headphones off my discman goes flying 89 00:03:36,890 --> 00:03:34,019 and I expect to hear this thing right 90 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:36,900 you know but there's nothing it's just 91 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:39,450 complete silence and all I could hear 92 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:42,690 was the water hitting the dock and I 93 00:03:48,289 --> 00:03:46,560 could feel this um I described it before 94 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:48,299 is almost like when you're at a rock 95 00:03:52,970 --> 00:03:50,250 concert and you're right next to that 96 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:52,980 app and you can feel it thumping in your 97 00:03:59,960 --> 00:03:56,850 chest it was this vibration running down 98 00:04:03,890 --> 00:03:59,970 my ears my neck and like I said into my 99 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:03,900 chest and my stomach so I'm frozen there 100 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:05,489 for a minute just watching this thing 101 00:04:12,289 --> 00:04:07,890 float above me and then it starts to 102 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:12,299 drift you know away from from me over 103 00:04:16,909 --> 00:04:14,730 the water towards the Canadian border so 104 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:16,919 I started yelling for my dad to come out 105 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:18,329 to look at this thing 106 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:20,970 he's inside watching a Yankees game so 107 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:22,289 you know there's no getting him away 108 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:23,260 from that 109 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:28,000 so I do jet into the hotel room for a 110 00:04:33,180 --> 00:04:31,330 second I grab him to come out and he did 111 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:33,190 see the tail end of this thing as it was 112 00:04:38,220 --> 00:04:35,620 leaving so I knew I wasn't just seeing 113 00:04:42,210 --> 00:04:38,230 things you know he assumed it was a 114 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:42,220 plane it disappeared out of sight and to 115 00:04:47,340 --> 00:04:44,830 this day I still feel like whatever this 116 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:47,350 thing was then it actually went into the 117 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:49,900 water again that might have been my 118 00:04:54,810 --> 00:04:52,660 perception at the time the angle of 119 00:04:57,810 --> 00:04:54,820 which I saw it but I could have sworn 120 00:05:01,650 --> 00:04:57,820 this thing went into the water but yeah 121 00:05:04,380 --> 00:05:01,660 man I I was terrified I became obsessed 122 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:04,390 with UFOs after that you know sort of 123 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:06,190 that cliche I took out book after book 124 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:08,800 about it I started writin essays to 125 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:10,930 myself interviewing people in my 126 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:14,230 hometown of Syracuse New York and how 127 00:05:18,780 --> 00:05:16,900 did you snowballed from there man that's 128 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:18,790 that's incredible and what's interesting 129 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:20,290 I found when I was reading the account 130 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:23,410 is your sighting is so much like so many 131 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:25,690 others where we talked about on the show 132 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:27,070 we joke about it all the time it seemed 133 00:05:31,050 --> 00:05:29,050 like back when Kenneth Arnold first has 134 00:05:33,150 --> 00:05:31,060 his sighting it was a flying saucer 135 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:33,160 literally looked like a disc and then 136 00:05:38,780 --> 00:05:35,710 later it seems that they started looking 137 00:05:41,010 --> 00:05:38,790 more like cigars and then at some point 138 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:41,020 everybody started seeing these black 139 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:42,670 triangles and it's exactly like what 140 00:05:45,630 --> 00:05:44,020 you're talking about a black triangle 141 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:45,640 with white lights on each tip and then a 142 00:05:50,970 --> 00:05:48,790 red light in the center and then also 143 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:50,980 some of the newer ones it seems like 144 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:53,770 they're almost giant Chevron's and yes 145 00:05:59,000 --> 00:05:56,650 so that does seem and I mean that's odd 146 00:06:00,720 --> 00:05:59,010 is this different types of 147 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:00,730 extraterrestrials that are visiting or 148 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:03,190 is this something that's manufactured 149 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:05,380 here on earth by some breakaway society 150 00:06:09,630 --> 00:06:07,930 or our government and just like they do 151 00:06:11,130 --> 00:06:09,640 with all military aircraft I mean in the 152 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:11,140 60s you know they were flying f4 153 00:06:16,260 --> 00:06:13,180 phantoms and then they moved into you 154 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:16,270 know f-14s and f-15s and f-16s and now 155 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:18,460 they're using f-18s and and of course 156 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:20,770 the f-35 whatever but they you know as 157 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:22,960 time goes on they're getting better at 158 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:25,240 building this technology I don't know 159 00:06:31,650 --> 00:06:29,280 but you've you've amassed a ton of 160 00:06:33,390 --> 00:06:31,660 sightings and lots of books have done 161 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:33,400 that but what you take away from those 162 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:36,160 sightings is the human angle what people 163 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:37,000 experienced 164 00:06:40,830 --> 00:06:38,950 when they saw this and how it changed 165 00:06:43,050 --> 00:06:40,840 them could you tell us any interesting 166 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:43,060 sightings or some of your favorites from 167 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:45,570 the book that you were able to uncover 168 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:50,020 absolutely um there's one UFO sighting 169 00:06:55,650 --> 00:06:52,530 in particular that I kept coming back to 170 00:06:58,890 --> 00:06:55,660 and this guy came to me really early on 171 00:07:01,260 --> 00:06:58,900 in my interviewing process this was a 172 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:01,270 gentleman named Scott who was a retired 173 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:03,520 radio man first-class for the Coast 174 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:06,850 Guard he's also a retired postal service 175 00:07:15,630 --> 00:07:11,830 worker and he had a sighting in 1974 in 176 00:07:17,490 --> 00:07:15,640 Cuyahoga Falls Ohio and he was at a 177 00:07:18,810 --> 00:07:17,500 drive-in movie theater with friend of 178 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:18,820 his you know they were sort of just 179 00:07:24,659 --> 00:07:21,850 passing the summer night away seeing a 180 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:24,669 movie having a couple beers maybe pick 181 00:07:31,650 --> 00:07:27,370 up a girl or two you know typical thing 182 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:31,660 guys did it and he and his friend 183 00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:34,120 they're waiting for the movie to start 184 00:07:39,810 --> 00:07:36,430 and they notice over the movie screen 185 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:39,820 there's this object just you know 186 00:07:47,430 --> 00:07:42,250 starting to come in over the parking lot 187 00:07:49,950 --> 00:07:47,440 and he described this thing as solid 188 00:07:53,460 --> 00:07:49,960 black and Chevron shaped like you said 189 00:07:55,409 --> 00:07:53,470 earlier and it was making no noise 190 00:07:57,090 --> 00:07:55,419 they had their windows down they 191 00:07:59,850 --> 00:07:57,100 couldn't hear anything movie hadn't 192 00:08:02,159 --> 00:07:59,860 started yet so he and a friend they get 193 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:02,169 out of the car you know they they they 194 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:04,210 want to know what the heck's going on 195 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:07,630 and they watch as the thing starts to 196 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:10,120 coast over the parking lot and at this 197 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:11,650 point everyone's getting out of their 198 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:13,570 cars just staring up at this thing 199 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:16,000 and then some people were trying to 200 00:08:21,510 --> 00:08:18,160 start their cars to get out of there but 201 00:08:23,190 --> 00:08:21,520 nobody's cars would start and we've 202 00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:23,200 heard this a lot of times before with a 203 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:25,030 lot of these sightings that they do have 204 00:08:33,570 --> 00:08:28,090 some sort of electromagnetic effect on 205 00:08:36,740 --> 00:08:33,580 cars below or equipment used and at this 206 00:08:39,630 --> 00:08:36,750 point the things directly above them and 207 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:39,640 Scott he remembers feeling like time 208 00:08:46,199 --> 00:08:42,880 kind of slowed down and everything 209 00:08:49,710 --> 00:08:46,209 around him was hazy and just very weird 210 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:49,720 and you know as the thing starts to flow 211 00:08:53,970 --> 00:08:50,140 too 212 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:53,980 a he remembers feeling normal again and 213 00:09:00,660 --> 00:08:57,730 people's cars started started to start 214 00:09:03,420 --> 00:09:00,670 up again and the weirdest thing about 215 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:03,430 this guy's was after it disappeared on 216 00:09:09,150 --> 00:09:06,610 us out of sight Scott goes to use the 217 00:09:12,690 --> 00:09:09,160 restroom that was his immediate reaction 218 00:09:14,430 --> 00:09:12,700 and nobody in the whole parking lot was 219 00:09:17,510 --> 00:09:14,440 talking about what just happened 220 00:09:19,980 --> 00:09:17,520 they're all just dazed and you know 221 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:19,990 acting like nothing that just happened 222 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:22,000 and Scott can't remember anything that 223 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:24,970 that happened in those moments he gets 224 00:09:30,510 --> 00:09:28,240 back in his car they watch the movie in 225 00:09:32,850 --> 00:09:30,520 its entirety and everyone just leaves 226 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:32,860 and he doesn't speak about it he or his 227 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:36,430 friend on the whole car ride home so 228 00:09:42,570 --> 00:09:38,710 yeah I caught up with Scott's some years 229 00:09:45,690 --> 00:09:42,580 later and he said that the only reason 230 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:45,700 he remembered this sighting was that he 231 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:48,070 had a trigger event he saw a UFO book in 232 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:50,650 a store and it brought back all these 233 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:52,570 memories you know hit him like a ton of 234 00:09:58,140 --> 00:09:55,210 bricks and you know how the air was 235 00:10:00,630 --> 00:09:58,150 super thick when this happened and times 236 00:10:02,910 --> 00:10:00,640 slowed down and all of these feelings 237 00:10:05,430 --> 00:10:02,920 started to really ball up in him it 238 00:10:10,170 --> 00:10:05,440 really affected him you know it scared 239 00:10:13,170 --> 00:10:10,180 him and to this day he's still trying to 240 00:10:15,270 --> 00:10:13,180 find that friend who was in the car with 241 00:10:17,850 --> 00:10:15,280 him so that he had some sort of 242 00:10:21,090 --> 00:10:17,860 collaboration on just exactly what they 243 00:10:24,890 --> 00:10:21,100 saw and he also questions why the thing 244 00:10:28,950 --> 00:10:24,900 was so obvious so blatant at being seen 245 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:28,960 so yeah guys this was a fascinating case 246 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:32,140 and it definitely changed Scott he'd 247 00:10:36,260 --> 00:10:33,970 never experienced anything like this in 248 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:36,270 his time with a Coast Guard he'd never 249 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:40,270 ever imagined even thinking about UFOs 250 00:10:46,740 --> 00:10:43,810 or aliens and this event just sort of 251 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:46,750 fell into his lap and his perception of 252 00:10:52,110 --> 00:10:48,910 reality was challenged it sounds like 253 00:10:54,630 --> 00:10:52,120 they all had a like a mass Oz effect 254 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:54,640 almost the way it everything they were 255 00:10:58,050 --> 00:10:55,930 silent and then what you're talking 256 00:11:00,150 --> 00:10:58,060 about is it's like it just wiped them 257 00:11:02,130 --> 00:11:00,160 all like the big flash from men in black 258 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:02,140 it just wiped them all and they all just 259 00:11:06,090 --> 00:11:03,850 went back to doing their thing again 260 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:06,100 I mean there's no way you would have you 261 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:08,290 can have an accident and people at a 262 00:11:11,190 --> 00:11:09,850 business beside it will all be talking 263 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:11,200 about the accident they all just 264 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:13,240 witnessed everybody they're witnesses 265 00:11:16,830 --> 00:11:15,460 this and yet nobody's talking about it 266 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:16,840 yeah I remember this story in the book 267 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:18,790 I'm glad you brought that one up yeah I 268 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:20,050 read it and I couldn't believe I 269 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:21,610 couldn't believe it this thing comes 270 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:23,770 over a drive-in theater everybody's 271 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:25,360 there everybody's looking at it and 272 00:11:27,810 --> 00:11:26,650 you're gonna disappears everybody just 273 00:11:30,810 --> 00:11:27,820 goes like right back to watching the 274 00:11:34,770 --> 00:11:30,820 movie nobody says nothing nothing not a 275 00:11:37,380 --> 00:11:34,780 word that's not normal human behavior no 276 00:11:39,210 --> 00:11:37,390 not at all and especially with a mass 277 00:11:41,550 --> 00:11:39,220 sighting you know you have something 278 00:11:45,060 --> 00:11:41,560 like the Phoenix lights or what was seen 279 00:11:47,270 --> 00:11:45,070 over Chicago O'Hare Airport people they 280 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:47,280 see it and they remember it happening 281 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:50,800 the fact that we have this one witness 282 00:11:56,070 --> 00:11:53,310 this entire event rests on his shoulders 283 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:56,080 nobody else is talking about it in that 284 00:12:01,140 --> 00:11:58,210 I can't even imagine what that must feel 285 00:12:03,540 --> 00:12:01,150 like to be the only one who remembers it 286 00:12:05,580 --> 00:12:03,550 no one can corroborate your story 287 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:05,590 but I'll tell you what guys after 288 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:08,590 hearing him having him call me retell 289 00:12:11,550 --> 00:12:11,290 this story you could hear it in his 290 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:11,560 voice 291 00:12:18,390 --> 00:12:14,560 this guy was sincere he was genuine and 292 00:12:20,730 --> 00:12:18,400 he had absolutely no reason to be not 293 00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:20,740 telling me what he firmly believes 294 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:24,100 happened mm-hmm I guess the thing - 295 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:27,340 there's another part of it is I'm sure 296 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:29,590 you spoke to a lot of people a ton of 297 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:31,570 people before you narrowed it down to 298 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:33,970 this group that you've reported on so 299 00:12:38,670 --> 00:12:36,310 going through that you had to come 300 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:38,680 across some BS you had to come across 301 00:12:41,390 --> 00:12:40,090 someone you could be like look I mean I 302 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:41,400 appreciate what you're telling me 303 00:12:45,330 --> 00:12:43,450 without even saying it to them but you 304 00:12:47,190 --> 00:12:45,340 were thinking this probably is a little 305 00:12:49,530 --> 00:12:47,200 more embellished than what really 306 00:12:51,150 --> 00:12:49,540 happened you know or you can start 307 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:51,160 seeing through the veil on some of the 308 00:12:54,450 --> 00:12:53,110 stories because you can get so many of 309 00:12:56,370 --> 00:12:54,460 them and you got up you get bogged down 310 00:12:58,290 --> 00:12:56,380 where you have to be very subjective 311 00:13:01,830 --> 00:12:58,300 when you look at each one of these cases 312 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:01,840 but the cases that you picked is and I'm 313 00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:03,130 sure it has affected everyone in 314 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:04,990 different ways but these it's truly 315 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:06,850 affected these people and it's much like 316 00:13:11,490 --> 00:13:09,040 what we discussed all fair before this 317 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:11,500 I've even talked about everybody seems 318 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:15,040 to agree now that we don't know if it's 319 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:16,810 extraterrestrial or if it's you know 320 00:13:19,829 --> 00:13:17,410 tress 321 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:19,839 trill or what it is but we all agree 322 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:21,100 that it still affects the people the 323 00:13:24,449 --> 00:13:23,410 same way whether what they saw is what 324 00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:24,459 they think it was or something 325 00:13:30,119 --> 00:13:26,350 completely different it still affects 326 00:13:32,939 --> 00:13:30,129 you in that exact same way yeah yeah it 327 00:13:37,170 --> 00:13:32,949 it brings to light so much of humanity 328 00:13:39,150 --> 00:13:37,180 guys that I I feel often gets gets 329 00:13:41,429 --> 00:13:39,160 overshadowed when we hear about UFO 330 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:41,439 sightings and that's really what like 331 00:13:46,470 --> 00:13:43,600 you said what the book is about it's not 332 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:46,480 about the you know though when in the 333 00:13:50,610 --> 00:13:48,250 where it's the WHO and the why 334 00:13:52,710 --> 00:13:50,620 what who are these people who are having 335 00:13:55,050 --> 00:13:52,720 these sightings let's hear from them 336 00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:55,060 let's hear what they think happened 337 00:14:01,740 --> 00:13:58,480 rather than have some quote-unquote UFO 338 00:14:07,019 --> 00:14:01,750 researcher which is a term I actually 339 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:07,029 take a lot of contention with you know 340 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:09,040 like my good my mentor Peter Robbins 341 00:14:12,689 --> 00:14:10,360 always told me you know to be a 342 00:14:14,429 --> 00:14:12,699 ufologist spin around three times touch 343 00:14:17,610 --> 00:14:14,439 your nose and you're done 344 00:14:20,340 --> 00:14:17,620 and I understand that and I even say in 345 00:14:22,530 --> 00:14:20,350 the intro of the book I'm really not 346 00:14:25,319 --> 00:14:22,540 okay with that turn ufologist you know 347 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:25,329 what what does that mean yes I study the 348 00:14:29,819 --> 00:14:27,850 topic of UFOs but when it comes down to 349 00:14:31,980 --> 00:14:29,829 it I'm not a scientist I'm not a 350 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:31,990 psychologist I'm not an anthropologist I 351 00:14:37,439 --> 00:14:35,290 I'm a relayer of stories that's what I 352 00:14:40,139 --> 00:14:37,449 do I'm a playwright here in New York 353 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:40,149 City that's that's my bread and butter I 354 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:42,910 create characters so I wanted to sort of 355 00:14:48,449 --> 00:14:45,610 infuse that into this project into my 356 00:14:51,449 --> 00:14:48,459 passion about UFOs and focus on those 357 00:14:53,819 --> 00:14:51,459 people in what they think is going on 358 00:14:55,980 --> 00:14:53,829 and why these events may have happened 359 00:14:57,689 --> 00:14:55,990 to them oh and there's another thing in 360 00:14:59,819 --> 00:14:57,699 the book that I found interesting is 361 00:15:02,340 --> 00:14:59,829 most of the stories that you reported on 362 00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:02,350 were in March April and May so it's in 363 00:15:06,509 --> 00:15:04,000 the springtime and I was like man that's 364 00:15:08,309 --> 00:15:06,519 a really strange little thing the way it 365 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:08,319 comes in is you start looking at it just 366 00:15:11,819 --> 00:15:09,970 like we talked about before Carolyn I've 367 00:15:13,259 --> 00:15:11,829 always discussed the ties in and stuff 368 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:13,269 like missing four one one and things 369 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:14,740 like that you start looking at this a 370 00:15:18,059 --> 00:15:15,910 different way and you're like man it 371 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:18,069 sure is odd that a lot of that happens 372 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:19,480 around that same time well I was reading 373 00:15:23,069 --> 00:15:21,670 some of the accounts from Ryan's book 374 00:15:24,780 --> 00:15:23,079 and I started noticing a pattern that 375 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:24,790 everybody was smoking a cigarette when 376 00:15:28,769 --> 00:15:27,490 they saw this and quickly cam was like 377 00:15:30,299 --> 00:15:28,779 well yet cuz that's when you would see 378 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:30,309 one because you're just looking out a 379 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:30,970 window 380 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:32,410 you're driving or you're standing 381 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:34,420 outside taking a smoke break from work 382 00:15:37,769 --> 00:15:36,610 what are you gonna do you know most of 383 00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:37,779 these happen before cellphones you're 384 00:15:41,210 --> 00:15:39,550 gonna look at the sky and that's why you 385 00:15:44,369 --> 00:15:41,220 that's why you encounter these things 386 00:15:46,379 --> 00:15:44,379 that's really interesting man I never I 387 00:15:48,689 --> 00:15:46,389 didn't notice that pattern it is almost 388 00:15:51,869 --> 00:15:48,699 like a subconscious either pro or anti 389 00:15:53,939 --> 00:15:51,879 2pac no you go back and throughout the 390 00:15:56,249 --> 00:15:53,949 first like five chapters almost I would 391 00:15:57,420 --> 00:15:56,259 say 80% of this the sightings almost 392 00:16:00,030 --> 00:15:57,430 everyone um the people were smoking a 393 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:00,040 cigarette at the time see that's that's 394 00:16:05,819 --> 00:16:03,490 really cool because again there's things 395 00:16:07,619 --> 00:16:05,829 that readers of this book and I'm not 396 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:07,629 using this to pitch the book but just to 397 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,850 say that there are things that you're 398 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:11,680 going to catch and you're gonna connect 399 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:13,870 with or find patterns with that I 400 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:17,410 necessarily didn't mean to do but that's 401 00:16:22,379 --> 00:16:20,500 that's the beauty of it I wanted to find 402 00:16:24,210 --> 00:16:22,389 these everyday people having these 403 00:16:26,699 --> 00:16:24,220 experiences and then let the reader 404 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:26,709 decide themselves you know I wasn't out 405 00:16:30,569 --> 00:16:28,870 to cast judgment on the people I wanted 406 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:30,579 to tell their story as accurate as I 407 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:33,310 could and get it out there man get 408 00:16:37,980 --> 00:16:36,160 conversations going absolutely and 409 00:16:42,329 --> 00:16:37,990 that's what we're doing tonight yeah oh 410 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:42,339 well yeah for sure there's so many in it 411 00:16:46,049 --> 00:16:44,529 I guess it's the thing is because I've 412 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:46,059 never been affected by something like 413 00:16:51,299 --> 00:16:49,300 this you know I've never it's funny 414 00:16:52,350 --> 00:16:51,309 because I know a lot of people and even 415 00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,360 mention it in one of the stories it 416 00:16:56,999 --> 00:16:54,959 seems like people will turn to religion 417 00:16:59,069 --> 00:16:57,009 because it's the only thing that makes 418 00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:59,079 them feel comfortable lots of times when 419 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:01,600 they have these encounters is because 420 00:17:05,610 --> 00:17:03,100 they're like had this is something that 421 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:05,620 I was raised you know in a religious 422 00:17:09,059 --> 00:17:07,150 home and I was released raised to 423 00:17:10,620 --> 00:17:09,069 believe this way and then this happens 424 00:17:12,510 --> 00:17:10,630 and it shook everything that I thought 425 00:17:14,730 --> 00:17:12,520 was real and that I thought you know 426 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,740 this is the way the world worked it it 427 00:17:18,929 --> 00:17:16,480 shook it completely out of them and it 428 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:18,939 seems like some people it affects very 429 00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:22,000 negatively some positively but some also 430 00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:23,919 very negatively like it truly affects 431 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:26,559 their life in a bad way now do you have 432 00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:28,150 one of those that you can discuss oh 433 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:31,799 absolutely I mean you know these 434 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:35,020 definitely are not all spaced brother 435 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:38,260 love and light stories um that is not a 436 00:17:44,350 --> 00:17:43,270 pattern I found human beings run a very 437 00:17:48,820 --> 00:17:44,360 interesting Specter 438 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:48,830 of how we perceive each other events and 439 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:51,890 you know there is that good in that bad 440 00:17:57,700 --> 00:17:55,010 energy that that implication to an event 441 00:18:00,370 --> 00:17:57,710 in yeah definitely there there are those 442 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:00,380 who don't think that this was for the 443 00:18:05,049 --> 00:18:02,210 better um I have a really interesting 444 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:05,059 one you bring up our legend and this 445 00:18:09,340 --> 00:18:06,830 chapter was actually called a mother's 446 00:18:12,820 --> 00:18:09,350 prayer and this is one of the most 447 00:18:14,110 --> 00:18:12,830 dramatic stories I came across and this 448 00:18:16,029 --> 00:18:14,120 was from a woman named patty 449 00:18:18,730 --> 00:18:16,039 who lives in Michigan and she had a 450 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:18,740 really dramatic triangular UFO sighting 451 00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:22,190 back in 2006 in which she and one of her 452 00:18:27,810 --> 00:18:24,559 daughters they they witnessed a massive 453 00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:27,820 craft hovering just above their home and 454 00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,620 patty was she was heading out to walk 455 00:18:34,210 --> 00:18:32,720 her dogs and right away she knew 456 00:18:36,909 --> 00:18:34,220 something was off the dogs were not 457 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:36,919 coming off the porch clearly something 458 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:38,330 was out there she didn't know what 459 00:18:43,539 --> 00:18:40,370 that's when she looked up and saw this 460 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:43,549 thing right above the home and it 461 00:18:46,419 --> 00:18:45,110 stopped her dead in her tracks she 462 00:18:48,129 --> 00:18:46,429 couldn't believe what she was seeing so 463 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:48,139 she starts yelling for a younger 464 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:50,330 daughter Jennifer to come outside you 465 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:52,690 know make sure she's not lazy and 466 00:18:57,129 --> 00:18:55,490 Jennifer she comes out and both of them 467 00:19:01,090 --> 00:18:57,139 they're just staring up at this thing 468 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:01,100 and it's slowly creeping closer until it 469 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:05,750 is directly above them and what was was 470 00:19:10,930 --> 00:19:07,610 most interesting about this one guys is 471 00:19:14,590 --> 00:19:10,940 patty she heard a low humming or like a 472 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:14,600 whooshing sound so she asks Jennifer if 473 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:16,850 she can hear it and when she looks at 474 00:19:22,029 --> 00:19:19,010 her daughter the daughters covering her 475 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:22,039 ears and telling her mom how unbearably 476 00:19:28,029 --> 00:19:25,510 loud the noises so they're having 477 00:19:31,060 --> 00:19:28,039 completely different experiences in 478 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:31,070 terms of hearing this craft and all 479 00:19:35,529 --> 00:19:33,049 while this is happening patty she's 480 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:35,539 starting to feel calm collected almost 481 00:19:39,549 --> 00:19:37,760 euphoric and when I spoke to the 482 00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:39,559 daughter she told me that she remembered 483 00:19:45,850 --> 00:19:43,220 being absolutely terrified she felt in 484 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:45,860 danger during the whole thing so again 485 00:19:49,810 --> 00:19:47,230 you have a mother and daughter 486 00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:49,820 perceiving this thing completely 487 00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:54,380 differently um so anyways this triangle 488 00:20:02,120 --> 00:19:58,200 it darts off at breakneck speed and it 489 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:02,130 years and some time passes and she has 490 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:05,490 another daughter Jessica one night she's 491 00:20:12,050 --> 00:20:07,950 getting ready for bed and she's walking 492 00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:12,060 in the hallway of the house and she she 493 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:13,950 sees this figure coming out of her 494 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:16,170 younger sisters bedroom and she assumes 495 00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:18,600 that it's her sister you know heading to 496 00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:20,940 bed but when the figure came into sight 497 00:20:27,230 --> 00:20:24,660 it was not her sister she described this 498 00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:27,240 being to me asking about thirty feet 499 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:29,880 tall it had a disproportionately sized 500 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:35,550 head you know very nondescript facial 501 00:20:42,350 --> 00:20:38,610 features big black eyes so right there 502 00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:42,360 guys we've got like your typical gray so 503 00:20:48,430 --> 00:20:44,700 she then went to say on that it had say 504 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:48,440 that I had a robe on with a hood so I 505 00:20:52,910 --> 00:20:50,310 don't know what to make of this it's 506 00:20:56,030 --> 00:20:52,920 like an ancient monk gray of some sort 507 00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:56,040 and it's just staring at her and it 508 00:21:00,560 --> 00:20:58,530 slowly starts to move into her parents 509 00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:00,570 room so she freaks out right she 510 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:02,790 Sprint's into her bedroom she hides 511 00:21:07,550 --> 00:21:05,460 under the covers and she just doesn't 512 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:07,560 know what to do and then she hears her 513 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:10,320 mom's voice so she takes the covers down 514 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:12,690 and the moms coming into the room just 515 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:15,210 to check on her and behind the mom she 516 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:17,970 can see this being following just 517 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:21,720 looking at everything in the room again 518 00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,090 she's petrified frozen she can't say 519 00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:26,400 anything mom kisses her on the forehead 520 00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:29,820 goodnight and the thing follows the mom 521 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:35,100 out of the room so after this guy's 522 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:37,890 you've got such an escalation happening 523 00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:39,810 in terms of the triangle and then this 524 00:21:45,710 --> 00:21:42,840 being so then both daughters start 525 00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,720 having nightmares about this being and 526 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:47,700 it just seems to be lingering in the 527 00:21:54,190 --> 00:21:50,310 back of their subconscious constantly 528 00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:54,200 and then the entire family start having 529 00:21:59,960 --> 00:21:57,480 almost paranormal activity happening in 530 00:22:02,380 --> 00:21:59,970 their house things are getting shut off 531 00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:02,390 things are flying across the room 532 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:06,600 staring these three women are literally 533 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:10,050 living like a nightmare of strange 534 00:22:16,610 --> 00:22:14,130 is happening so having been spiritual 535 00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:16,620 beforehand they think this is evil it's 536 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:19,320 demonic something-something in a 537 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:21,630 spiritual context is happening in this 538 00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,210 home around this home and it is not good 539 00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,120 they stopped talking to one another they 540 00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:29,520 become very alienated and it rips the 541 00:22:34,450 --> 00:22:32,100 family apart they didn't speak for a 542 00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,460 long time the mom became very depressed 543 00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:37,440 the daughters you know started missing 544 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:42,840 school and having things happen with 545 00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:45,840 friends and family and it just it closed 546 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:48,060 them off to the world and it got to a 547 00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:50,370 point where they couldn't take it 548 00:22:55,220 --> 00:22:53,190 anymore and they turned to prayer they 549 00:23:01,070 --> 00:22:55,230 started praying for these things to stop 550 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,080 to go away and it actually it worked it 551 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:03,360 worked for this family it brought them 552 00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:05,700 back together again it decreased the 553 00:23:10,910 --> 00:23:09,150 amount of activity and I don't know what 554 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:10,920 to say guys I honestly don't know what 555 00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:14,490 to say in terms of how prayer worked in 556 00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:17,640 this case but it did this is what they 557 00:23:22,340 --> 00:23:20,100 connected to how they perceived what was 558 00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:22,350 going on which is a huge factor in any 559 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:24,600 UFO or quote-unquote abduction 560 00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:26,610 experience is how the person perceives 561 00:23:32,540 --> 00:23:29,070 it and how do you move on from there you 562 00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:32,550 know man that is that's what's 563 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:34,440 interesting is the very beginning the 564 00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:36,210 one mother and then what the mother and 565 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:37,470 the one daughter were so diametrically 566 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:39,960 opposed to their experience during the 567 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:41,910 sighting but then later what it would 568 00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:44,130 evolved yeah well with the terrorizing 569 00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:45,870 them at their home and everything that 570 00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:48,030 is how one can hear and the other ones 571 00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:49,380 like I don't hear anything and one's 572 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,720 just dying from it made me think of 573 00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:53,520 would you think those ringtones you know 574 00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:55,230 like the kids had used to have my son 575 00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,420 went through this we're it's my ears are 576 00:24:00,860 --> 00:23:59,460 so old I couldn't hear it and it would 577 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:00,870 do like a height of hitch and he could 578 00:24:03,650 --> 00:24:02,610 hear it and he would be like oh yeah you 579 00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:03,660 know you knew when they were people were 580 00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,580 calling or texting you in class because 581 00:24:08,540 --> 00:24:07,380 old ears couldn't hear it and he would 582 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:08,550 play it I'll be like dude I don't hear 583 00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:09,690 what you but nothing and he's just 584 00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:11,280 laughing the whole time things my 585 00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,270 daughter comes out of her room she's 586 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:14,640 like what is that sound so that makes me 587 00:24:18,140 --> 00:24:16,410 think of it it's like they're at a level 588 00:24:21,370 --> 00:24:18,150 that's how they sneak up on us old 589 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,380 people as they come sliding in man uh-uh 590 00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:23,520 well and let me ask you that with that 591 00:24:26,139 --> 00:24:24,080 story 592 00:24:29,230 --> 00:24:26,149 they're right let me ask you this 593 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:29,240 because we discuss often breakaway 594 00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:30,890 societies and the fact that some of 595 00:24:37,539 --> 00:24:35,600 these could very easily be ships from a 596 00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:37,549 breakaway society somebody that you know 597 00:24:40,899 --> 00:24:39,350 and of course now that's a unique term 598 00:24:43,570 --> 00:24:40,909 in itself because when you think about 599 00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,580 breakaway society I always picture crazy 600 00:24:46,899 --> 00:24:45,919 Nazi bases in Antarctica or somewhere 601 00:24:49,509 --> 00:24:46,909 out in the middle you know in like a 602 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:49,519 Hollow Earth it's what I always think of 603 00:24:53,139 --> 00:24:50,690 and there's like guys with giant 604 00:24:55,539 --> 00:24:53,149 Zeppelin's and all this old-school stuff 605 00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,549 I think of that and I don't ever I don't 606 00:24:59,769 --> 00:24:57,200 ever really put you know put it down as 607 00:25:01,240 --> 00:24:59,779 the military industrial complex that has 608 00:25:03,310 --> 00:25:01,250 a group of people that that's all they 609 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:03,320 do and that that whole family much like 610 00:25:07,539 --> 00:25:05,510 what we talk cd9 or town nine or 611 00:25:09,399 --> 00:25:07,549 whatever in Russia these quiet little 612 00:25:11,049 --> 00:25:09,409 towns that are built that nobody comes 613 00:25:12,370 --> 00:25:11,059 really in and out of that they don't 614 00:25:14,259 --> 00:25:12,380 speak of and they're only built for 615 00:25:15,610 --> 00:25:14,269 certain things because those that there 616 00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,620 are towns out there around the world 617 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,600 that are that way now and people don't 618 00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:19,760 really know about these but I always 619 00:25:24,909 --> 00:25:22,880 think of that but how could this be you 620 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:24,919 know a breakaway society type thing 621 00:25:29,289 --> 00:25:27,049 whenever they're seeing an alien gray or 622 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:29,299 something almost demonic shows up to 623 00:25:33,879 --> 00:25:30,070 this house 624 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:33,889 that's so really a really good question 625 00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,610 and I mean the the whole term breakaway 626 00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:39,919 civilization actually my publisher likes 627 00:25:43,629 --> 00:25:42,230 to take credit from the actual term so 628 00:25:45,639 --> 00:25:43,639 you know what we'll give it to him well 629 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:45,649 that's the d-man we've set in the d-man 630 00:25:48,399 --> 00:25:46,970 in this and he'll make your head hurt 631 00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:48,409 does it mean consequent asking the 632 00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:50,059 questions and I'm like Richard I'm like 633 00:25:53,259 --> 00:25:51,440 you're gonna have to slow down man cuz 634 00:25:55,509 --> 00:25:53,269 look you're gonna have to talk real slow 635 00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:55,519 with me use small words did you make my 636 00:26:05,919 --> 00:25:59,120 head hurt I cannot even tell you about 637 00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:05,929 some of the overnight where I said I'm 638 00:26:13,779 --> 00:26:06,440 tapped 639 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:13,789 breakaway civilization let's but sort of 640 00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:15,320 doesn't look at that term some sort of 641 00:26:22,810 --> 00:26:19,220 let's say what secret group with access 642 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:22,820 to advanced technology advanced science 643 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:24,260 and they just don't share it with the 644 00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,850 rest of the world you know one 645 00:26:30,399 --> 00:26:27,919 scientific breakthrough leads to another 646 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:30,409 and leads to another so on so that's the 647 00:26:35,529 --> 00:26:31,970 next thing you know you got a separate 648 00:26:38,170 --> 00:26:35,539 group of humanity that is far beyond the 649 00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:38,180 rest of the world now like you said 650 00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:40,550 this may not have to do with the 651 00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:43,190 military-industrial complex it very well 652 00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:46,420 could be a completely separate entity 653 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:50,240 working with this extraterrestrial 654 00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:53,210 civilization you know that's a very 655 00:27:00,880 --> 00:26:57,880 out-there sort of theory one that I 656 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:00,890 simply don't have enough knowledge to 657 00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,450 even begin to break down but it is it's 658 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:08,240 fascinating that in look at these 659 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:10,850 triangular craft they they want to be 660 00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:13,970 seen you know whatever I saw in 1995 661 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:15,380 wanted to be seen 662 00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:17,950 whatever the chevron thing was that 663 00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:20,390 Scott saw in this triangle the Pattie 664 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:24,320 saw these things were so freakin obvious 665 00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:27,130 you know this was not some illusive 666 00:27:32,140 --> 00:27:29,480 saucers zipping through the sky or 667 00:27:34,030 --> 00:27:32,150 blinking in and out this thing floated 668 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:34,040 there and was saying look at me you look 669 00:27:39,790 --> 00:27:36,770 at me yes oh you've gotta wonder you 670 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:39,800 know if a breakaway civilization wants 671 00:27:44,290 --> 00:27:42,110 to be so secretive and they are in 672 00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:44,300 control of these craft why why what is 673 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:46,400 their attention what's their agenda at 674 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:48,710 making us look at these things and how 675 00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:50,450 we're gonna react to them I think it's 676 00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:52,400 them testing their craft like they're 677 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:53,870 showing off a little bit you know what I 678 00:27:57,130 --> 00:27:55,310 mean like I don't know how to picture 679 00:27:59,620 --> 00:27:57,140 the movie what's the movie contact with 680 00:28:01,060 --> 00:27:59,630 Jodie Foster Jodie Foster yeah remember 681 00:28:02,590 --> 00:28:01,070 they built that big crazy machine the 682 00:28:04,270 --> 00:28:02,600 one blew up but then secretly there was 683 00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:04,280 like a billionaire who was funding 684 00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:06,830 another one being built I picture in my 685 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:09,080 mind that there's these scientists these 686 00:28:12,490 --> 00:28:10,910 robes scientists that have this some 687 00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,500 kind of crazy technology that they've 688 00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:14,480 acquired and that there's these rich 689 00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:16,100 Playboy's that are out there funding 690 00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:17,720 this stuff and nobody knows about what's 691 00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:19,580 going on whatever you want to name the 692 00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,920 corporation and that's what's going on 693 00:28:26,050 --> 00:28:23,840 and the reason you see different ones is 694 00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:26,060 because there's different guys doing 695 00:28:28,510 --> 00:28:27,350 that and they're kind of showing off to 696 00:28:31,090 --> 00:28:28,520 each other oh yeah well I've got a 697 00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:31,100 Chevron one and I've got a triangle one 698 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,180 or who knows maybe it's 699 00:28:36,490 --> 00:28:33,440 extraterrestrials showing up but they're 700 00:28:38,410 --> 00:28:36,500 definitely showing off I think they like 701 00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:38,420 how many times one of these stories were 702 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:40,400 will get to a military case in a second 703 00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,170 where these fighter pilots are flying 704 00:28:45,940 --> 00:28:44,480 around and these I mean this has been 705 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:45,950 going on since World War two with the 706 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:47,750 Foo Fighters it's almost like the craft 707 00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:49,730 is toying with them mm-hmm like it you 708 00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:51,380 know it's not engaging them or it is 709 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:52,700 and then it's not and then it's you know 710 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:54,890 flying around playing with them it's 711 00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:56,510 like showing off like look you think you 712 00:29:01,030 --> 00:28:58,730 got good technology look at this I can 713 00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:01,040 do a hundred G turn right here well you 714 00:29:06,250 --> 00:29:04,580 know I don't know hey it it's confusing 715 00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:06,260 now you do have a couple chapters where 716 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:08,030 you talk about people in the military 717 00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:10,730 like pilots having sightings could you 718 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:14,440 tell us maybe one of those I yeah well 719 00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:17,570 so yeah this one was a gentleman named 720 00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:21,020 Gary Travis who was a commercial pilot 721 00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:26,360 and he witnessed the orb phenomenon you 722 00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,400 know these orange orbs almost like the 723 00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:31,520 Foo Fighters you know sort of updated 724 00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:33,860 they evolved at this point and he saw 725 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:37,550 them as he was flying his plane and they 726 00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:39,290 they were just they were following 727 00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:42,230 following all around him you know almost 728 00:29:46,990 --> 00:29:44,660 like a choreographed dance around his 729 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:47,000 plane on which led him to believe that 730 00:29:54,340 --> 00:29:50,530 whatever these things were were somehow 731 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,350 intelligently controlled a lot of the 732 00:29:59,010 --> 00:29:56,240 times with these orb sightings we hear 733 00:30:01,600 --> 00:29:59,020 that it's ball lightning it's a weather 734 00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:01,610 anomaly it's a reflection off the window 735 00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:03,740 that's all good and fine and I'm sure 736 00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,020 there are many cases in which that 737 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:08,960 happens but these things followed him 738 00:30:15,250 --> 00:30:13,250 for so long and he tried to outmaneuver 739 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:15,260 them and they just kept on his tail the 740 00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:18,560 whole time yeah you know so again this 741 00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:20,870 event severely affected him you know 742 00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:22,820 being a pilot knowing what's up there 743 00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:25,070 yeah swamp gas or ball lightnings not 744 00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:26,600 gonna be able to change course when your 745 00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:28,070 planes changing directions you know what 746 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:30,440 I mean exactly we talked about it we 747 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:31,490 were talking about it not too long ago 748 00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:33,410 in the show mean camera talking about we 749 00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:35,240 were doing a segment on orbs and we 750 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:36,950 specifically were saying people throw 751 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:39,410 out this idea of swamp gas or light 752 00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:41,990 refracting from a train or something but 753 00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:43,460 I've never seen anybody be able to 754 00:30:47,020 --> 00:30:44,900 replicate that like I've never seen a 755 00:30:49,450 --> 00:30:47,030 scientist go look I'm gonna recreate 756 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:49,460 this is a demonstration to show you how 757 00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:51,650 I can take this swamp gas or I can make 758 00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:53,540 ball lightning here and you can easily 759 00:30:57,070 --> 00:30:55,670 see where people could miss identify it 760 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:57,080 as a UFO and then you show the 761 00:31:00,040 --> 00:30:58,610 demonstration and you're like oh yeah I 762 00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:00,050 could see where that would happen it's 763 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:01,820 all hearsay I mean it sounds like a 764 00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:03,170 theory to me but I've never seen anybody 765 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:05,830 be able to back it up and prove it 766 00:31:10,169 --> 00:31:07,690 hmm I think yeah I think it's crazy you 767 00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:10,179 know I just like in the book and you 768 00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:11,640 bring it up in the book and specifically 769 00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:13,559 it 770 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:15,880 obviously there are hoaxers out there 771 00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:17,769 there's a group of people that aren't 772 00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:19,390 having any experiences but for whatever 773 00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:21,940 reason they want attention so they 774 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:24,220 create this story of them having a 775 00:31:29,639 --> 00:31:26,710 sighting or them being a contact D or 776 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:29,649 being an abducted for whatever reason 777 00:31:34,289 --> 00:31:32,110 and there's obviously several sightings 778 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:34,299 that are just simply misidentification 779 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:35,710 I've been outside I'm sure everybody has 780 00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:37,090 we see a strange light you're like what 781 00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:38,799 is that and then you watch it and then 782 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:39,940 five minutes that are like oh it's a 783 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,289 plane I couldn't see the blinking light 784 00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:44,080 for a while but now I can but just like 785 00:31:47,879 --> 00:31:45,340 we talked about on our show all the time 786 00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:47,889 was cryptozoology if a hundred of the 787 00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,760 stories if 80 of them were or 788 00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:53,679 misidentifications and 20 of them are 10 789 00:31:59,789 --> 00:31:57,220 more are hoaxes it's that last tiny 790 00:32:02,340 --> 00:31:59,799 sliver that last 10 that are unexplained 791 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:02,350 I mean for all these people for all 792 00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,510 these years whether it was from Betty 793 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:05,919 and Barney Hill all the way up into 794 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:08,409 current times they can't all be making 795 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:10,450 up these experiences that they're having 796 00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:12,490 do you mean what do you think about that 797 00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:15,220 I mean that's obviously I mean you are 798 00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:16,630 you say in the book but could you tell 799 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:17,830 our listeners what your thoughts are 800 00:32:23,789 --> 00:32:19,110 after talking with all these people 801 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:23,799 about you know they're generally they 802 00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:25,330 believe they're having these experiences 803 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:28,870 so they can't all be fake yeah I mean 804 00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:31,090 when I first you know having had my own 805 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:33,190 sighting you know I had a little biased 806 00:32:38,970 --> 00:32:36,010 at first but to this day I'm convinced 807 00:32:42,539 --> 00:32:38,980 that what I saw was most likely man-made 808 00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:42,549 we're looking at mid 90s when stealth 809 00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,340 craft were starting to be seen the 810 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:46,960 location which I had my sighting was 811 00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:49,769 kind of near an Air Force Base that 812 00:32:55,379 --> 00:32:53,679 aside when I started getting deeper and 813 00:33:00,360 --> 00:32:55,389 deeper into this and hearing more about 814 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:00,370 the experiencer aspect of all this I was 815 00:33:06,299 --> 00:33:04,809 very skeptical and I I completely I can 816 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,309 admit this say that I thought this is 817 00:33:10,919 --> 00:33:08,320 all in their heads this was completely 818 00:33:13,129 --> 00:33:10,929 psychosomatic these people were having 819 00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:13,139 sleep paralysis they were having 820 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:15,860 hypnagogic hallucinations 821 00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:18,410 whatever I could do to convince myself 822 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:21,470 that you know some non-human 823 00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:23,810 intelligence was actually taking human 824 00:33:30,670 --> 00:33:27,380 beings and experimenting on them that 825 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:30,680 was good for me but I remember sitting 826 00:33:34,270 --> 00:33:33,110 down with one of these experiences for 827 00:33:37,170 --> 00:33:34,280 the first time it was the first 828 00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:37,180 face-to-face interview I had and 829 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:39,590 watching her sit next to her husband 830 00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:42,530 holding his hand and recalling what 831 00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:46,760 happened to her to me and just watching 832 00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:49,640 the tears come from her eyes and hearing 833 00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:52,310 her knee hitting the table you know 834 00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,500 underneath how nervous she was how 835 00:34:01,930 --> 00:33:56,960 anxious he was and that was it for me 836 00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:01,940 guys now whether or not a a nonhuman 837 00:34:07,330 --> 00:34:04,670 intelligence physically took this woman 838 00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,340 out of her bed brought her up to some 839 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:08,960 craft and experimented on her 840 00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:11,330 I cannot say and I don't even know if 841 00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:15,110 she can say but she has this vivid 842 00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:17,960 memory of this happening and I'm not 843 00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:20,390 gonna take that away from her absolutely 844 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,540 not and like you said earlier guys these 845 00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,240 people firmly believe these events have 846 00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:28,399 happened to them some of them think it 847 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:30,380 happened in the subconscious some of 848 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:31,970 them think it happened in the physical 849 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:34,970 realm that we know is reality and again 850 00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,250 I'm not gonna cast judgment on that I'm 851 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:39,200 gonna let them tell their story to 852 00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:41,750 someone who's willing to listen and 853 00:34:49,419 --> 00:34:44,300 that's what this sort of all comes down 854 00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:49,429 to in in my opinion nobody really hears 855 00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:53,030 the experiencers out and I always I 856 00:34:58,990 --> 00:34:56,300 always feel a sense that they are the 857 00:35:01,840 --> 00:34:59,000 backbone of the hard data if you want to 858 00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:01,850 look at ufology as a scientific method 859 00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:06,080 as a scientific study that's fine I'm we 860 00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:08,540 need that that is essential to move us 861 00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,030 forward but I'm trying to do my part to 862 00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:13,520 show that the experiencers and the 863 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:15,830 people having these sightings they are a 864 00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:18,770 huge part of this and like you said if 865 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:21,740 that that what 20% of sightings that 866 00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:23,330 cannot be explained are out there 867 00:35:29,350 --> 00:35:25,880 they're gonna keep being out there and 868 00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:29,360 we have to keep looking at those cases 869 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:30,800 I agree I couldn't agree more I mean 870 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:31,970 that's what we do it on the show all the 871 00:35:35,590 --> 00:35:33,290 time whether it's cryptozoology 872 00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:35,600 sightings UFOs whatever it doesn't 873 00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:37,430 matter like you were saying if the woman 874 00:35:41,290 --> 00:35:39,230 was physically transported into a 875 00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:41,300 spacecraft or it was just in her mind 876 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:43,070 that they are somehow manipulating her 877 00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:45,890 mind the experience for her is exactly 878 00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:47,630 the same and it impacts these people a 879 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:50,060 lot people's lives and it changes them 880 00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:52,130 forever and I always that's we always 881 00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:54,590 say I can't judge if less I'm there like 882 00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:55,790 the guy that was at the drive-in theater 883 00:35:59,710 --> 00:35:57,470 with his buddy unless I'm there how can 884 00:36:01,870 --> 00:35:59,720 I possibly tell you what you saw or 885 00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,880 didn't see I can't do that and I don't 886 00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:03,200 think that a lot of these people they 887 00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:05,180 don't get any financial gain from making 888 00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:07,220 these stories up some of them just like 889 00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:08,630 the guy at the drive-in he didn't he 890 00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:10,070 forgot that it even happened until he 891 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:12,380 was triggered by looking at that book so 892 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:13,970 many times I've read these cases on 893 00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:16,250 alien abductees that don't even remember 894 00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:18,350 it happening two years later then they 895 00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:21,350 go and get hypnosis sessions done and it 896 00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:22,820 turns out they've been getting abducted 897 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:25,190 for years and they didn't remember any 898 00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:27,290 of that and so why would somebody make 899 00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:29,300 that up and there's several I mean 900 00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:30,830 there's been all cops don't touch 901 00:36:34,090 --> 00:36:32,840 scientists that have researched this and 902 00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:34,100 looked into these people and they're 903 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:35,390 like there's definitely they're 904 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:36,410 definitely telling the truth they're not 905 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:37,910 making this up I said this is what I do 906 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:38,630 for a living 907 00:36:45,010 --> 00:36:42,110 this person experienced something and it 908 00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,020 shocked them to their core absolutely 909 00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:48,320 and you know science or psychological I 910 00:36:53,050 --> 00:36:51,380 mean look at someone like John Mack the 911 00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:53,060 Harvard psychiatrist who looked into 912 00:37:00,070 --> 00:36:56,750 this phenomenon extensively um he looked 913 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:00,080 at it as a very spiritual thing and you 914 00:37:04,510 --> 00:37:01,490 know I found that a lot with this as 915 00:37:07,540 --> 00:37:04,520 well people's beliefs change after these 916 00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:07,550 events things are unlocked in them their 917 00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:09,740 awareness is opened and you know I'm not 918 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:11,480 trying to get to a metaphysical in the 919 00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:13,490 book either what I'm showing is the 920 00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,700 impact one guy became a pastor at a 921 00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:18,320 church after he had an experience 922 00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,740 another guy here's one he became an 923 00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,320 artist he never had interest in art 924 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:26,480 before this event happened and he 925 00:37:32,590 --> 00:37:28,970 started seeing these geometric patterns 926 00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:32,600 after the event and creating he started 927 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:35,960 creating things so you have to wonder 928 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:38,450 what is being unlocked in these people 929 00:37:43,770 --> 00:37:40,510 having the experiences and 930 00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:43,780 how is that impacting humanity both at 931 00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:47,460 the individual level and as a collective 932 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:50,020 humankind it's it's fascinating and 933 00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,670 that's really what I tried to get at 934 00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:53,200 with a book is how do these 935 00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,700 quote-unquote alien phenomena how do 936 00:38:02,580 --> 00:37:59,920 what did they show us about us as humans 937 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:02,590 let's put ourselves up to that mirror if 938 00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:05,290 we're really gonna get crazy and bizarre 939 00:38:09,810 --> 00:38:06,670 with this alien stuff 940 00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:09,820 yeah you did a fantastic job I mean for 941 00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:11,140 a long time I was starting to think that 942 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:12,940 you have followed you was dead because 943 00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:14,290 all the books that come out that just 944 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:16,420 rehash the same stories we're talking 945 00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:18,340 about Roswell crash we're talking about 946 00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,540 Rendell's from forests we're talking 947 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:21,520 about majestic 12 and I have to read a 948 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:23,710 lot of these for the show and so many 949 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:25,270 times it's the same stories but you 950 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:26,530 approached it in a new way and you 951 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:28,450 looked at the human side and it was such 952 00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:30,850 it was like a breath of fresh air and so 953 00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:32,350 if anybody's interested in these types 954 00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:35,260 of subjects the UFO phenomenon I suggest 955 00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:36,550 you go down and get this book it's 956 00:38:39,390 --> 00:38:38,230 somewhere in the skies and Ryan can you 957 00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:39,400 tell the people where to go to get this 958 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:43,000 book absolutely it's available on Amazon 959 00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:46,570 in both paperback and ebook it'll be 960 00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:49,150 available at Barnes & Noble soon or they 961 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:51,220 can always go to the publishers website 962 00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:53,290 Richard Owen press com 963 00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:54,670 awesome now I know you're gonna be 964 00:39:00,810 --> 00:38:57,760 speaking at the UFO Congress in February 965 00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:00,820 czar correct yeah that's correct um this 966 00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:03,640 will be my first conference ever oh I 967 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:10,180 know right I know no pressure in front 968 00:39:17,310 --> 00:39:14,050 of 2,000 people no I'm really excited 969 00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:17,320 guys and it I will be covering what you 970 00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:20,200 just mentioned the study of ufology and 971 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:22,630 how we can move it forward in new ways 972 00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:24,700 you can connect UFOs to anything 973 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:27,160 religion theology anthropology 974 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:29,380 psychology there's a place for it 975 00:39:33,570 --> 00:39:31,090 everywhere guys so I am convinced 976 00:39:34,770 --> 00:39:33,580 ethology is not dead and I'm gonna be 977 00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,780 giving my own thoughts on that in 978 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:36,880 February so you can figure or you can 979 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:39,490 find that at UFO Congress calm that's 980 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:41,350 awesome I saw that David Marla's gonna 981 00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:42,850 be speaking there and I actually saw him 982 00:39:46,770 --> 00:39:45,100 speak this last April at the Ozark 983 00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:46,780 Mountain UFO conference and he is a 984 00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:48,340 really cool guy I got to talk with him 985 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:51,430 backstage for about an hour and he's 986 00:39:54,299 --> 00:39:53,320 really cool if you've never heard him 987 00:39:57,509 --> 00:39:54,309 speak before 988 00:40:01,049 --> 00:39:57,519 um I actually David I'm working with on 989 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:01,059 my own UFO sighting guys no he's he's 990 00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,130 connected to triangular UFOs he's done 991 00:40:08,219 --> 00:40:05,920 the most research on them so a shiny 992 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:08,229 beacon in the field for sure I was great 993 00:40:11,549 --> 00:40:10,150 yeah his holes his whole speech was 994 00:40:13,229 --> 00:40:11,559 wonderful it was wonderful thing are 995 00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:13,239 there any other speaking engagements or 996 00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:14,589 book signings and stuff where people can 997 00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,329 come out and meet you or is that the 998 00:40:22,049 --> 00:40:18,400 only one of the books right now I've got 999 00:40:24,959 --> 00:40:22,059 one coming up later in 2017 in Nova 1000 00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,969 Scotia of all places that's gonna be 1001 00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:26,079 really cool 1002 00:40:30,179 --> 00:40:28,209 I should have some more info coming up 1003 00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:30,189 on that one and also I'll be doing a 1004 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:34,180 talk for MUFON later next year as well 1005 00:40:37,709 --> 00:40:35,650 but yeah you could find out all that 1006 00:40:39,779 --> 00:40:37,719 stuff on my website it's just somewhere 1007 00:40:41,279 --> 00:40:39,789 in the skies calm and if they want to 1008 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:41,289 hear you weekly where do they find you 1009 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:45,729 ooh good plug my man Shannon would kill 1010 00:40:52,289 --> 00:40:50,170 me if I didn't do that I I do Co hosts a 1011 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:52,299 podcast weekly with Shannon LaGrone and 1012 00:40:58,679 --> 00:40:55,930 Sam shearing the master of the dark arts 1013 00:41:00,539 --> 00:40:58,689 that's into the fray radio into the fray 1014 00:41:04,499 --> 00:41:00,549 radio calm and you can hear that every 1015 00:41:05,009 --> 00:41:04,509 Thursday and 7:00 p.m. Pacific Standard 1016 00:41:06,449 --> 00:41:05,019 Time 1017 00:41:08,009 --> 00:41:06,459 yeah we were actually guests on there 1018 00:41:09,089 --> 00:41:08,019 one time but the one time we were on 1019 00:41:12,049 --> 00:41:09,099 there you weren't there you weren't 1020 00:41:14,189 --> 00:41:12,059 available I know I love that episode 1021 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:14,199 indigenous you ditched us Ryan that's 1022 00:41:17,099 --> 00:41:16,689 what it was you ditched us no you know 1023 00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:17,109 what 1024 00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:19,689 some woman didn't call me that night 1025 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:21,400 right I'm gonna put this one on Shannon 1026 00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:24,670 oh well thanks so much for coming on the 1027 00:41:29,429 --> 00:41:26,920 show you have a good Christmas Ryan you 1028 00:41:30,089 --> 00:41:29,439 too guys happy holidays and again such 1029 00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:30,099 an honor 1030 00:41:37,520 --> 00:42:06,630 you 1031 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:08,790 and we're back with expanded 1032 00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:11,650 perspectives a very interesting 1033 00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:13,870 discussion with Ryan Sprague we talked 1034 00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:14,980 to him for a little bit on here we 1035 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:16,420 actually spoke to him about an hour off 1036 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:18,730 air about lots of other things and he's 1037 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:20,410 a great guy man and I really enjoyed his 1038 00:42:24,210 --> 00:42:22,330 book because like we brought up so many 1039 00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:24,220 times during the interview he really did 1040 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:25,840 come at at a different angle and so many 1041 00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:27,190 I mean we do this for a living and 1042 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:29,080 there's so many books that we have to 1043 00:42:32,190 --> 00:42:30,490 read some of the articles that it does 1044 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:32,200 kind of get monotonous after a while of 1045 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:34,390 the same old things the same old things 1046 00:42:38,910 --> 00:42:36,610 so it's interesting when somebody like 1047 00:42:40,290 --> 00:42:38,920 Ryan or like our friend Joshua kuchen 1048 00:42:41,490 --> 00:42:40,300 when they come up with these new ways of 1049 00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:41,500 talking about something that's familiar 1050 00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:43,900 to us and so I really like the book I 1051 00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:45,670 suggest everybody if you have some loved 1052 00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:47,230 one out there that's into UFOs or you 1053 00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:49,240 yourself are into UFOs christmas is 1054 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:50,710 coming up you should go out and get 1055 00:42:55,350 --> 00:42:53,050 somewhere in the skies a human approach 1056 00:42:57,450 --> 00:42:55,360 to an alien phenomenon and it's 1057 00:42:58,860 --> 00:42:57,460 available Richard Dolan press I think 1058 00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,870 you can get on Amazon and stuff I will 1059 00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:00,880 put links to it in the show notes or you 1060 00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:02,830 can visit Ryan's website somewhere in 1061 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:05,380 the skies calm also don't forget like I 1062 00:43:09,060 --> 00:43:07,690 said he's on the the podcast into the 1063 00:43:10,830 --> 00:43:09,070 frame and you could check him out over 1064 00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:10,840 there they do a show every week pretty 1065 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:12,070 cool what did you think about the book 1066 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:13,690 and what did you think about Ryan well 1067 00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:15,250 first of all Ryan's a great guy I love 1068 00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:15,640 that guy 1069 00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:18,280 it's you can tell talking to around what 1070 00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:19,750 I enjoyed the most is he's genuine about 1071 00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:21,960 his his care for these people and 1072 00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:25,360 wanting to really get daddy he's a lot 1073 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:27,190 of people we run into you can tell 1074 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:28,450 they're writing a book just to be 1075 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:30,730 writing a book you know and you and I 1076 00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:32,650 have even discussed it and we've even 1077 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:34,150 been guilty of it did she just like you 1078 00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:35,410 know what I want to write a book just so 1079 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:38,350 I can say I wrote a book and what are 1080 00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:39,460 you gonna add what are you really gonna 1081 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:40,960 do you know I mean I understand fiction 1082 00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,370 but the nonfiction book writing is 1083 00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,560 different and what he did was take 1084 00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:45,760 something like you brought up like what 1085 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:47,950 Joshua did is it something that nobody's 1086 00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:49,270 really broke down and looked at and 1087 00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:50,920 really wanted to break down how it's 1088 00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:53,110 affected these people and I just I don't 1089 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:55,150 know I enjoy I just enjoyed different 1090 00:43:59,760 --> 00:43:57,010 ideas than what everybody keeps 1091 00:44:01,350 --> 00:43:59,770 rehashing and recovering and redoing and 1092 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:01,360 I like the different take on it the 1093 00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:03,850 whole idea of this good stuff I agree 1094 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:05,350 with you and also I mean everybody knows 1095 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:06,490 that listens to the show that I'm not a 1096 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:08,320 big fan of what front of a reason water 1097 00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:11,050 cryptids I have never been a huge fan of 1098 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:12,670 UFOs I've always been generally a little 1099 00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:14,890 bit interested in them but I don't know 1100 00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:16,060 I don't know what's happening to me 1101 00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:17,620 slowly over the last like four or five 1102 00:44:20,190 --> 00:44:19,870 months I'm actually becoming more and 1103 00:44:31,410 --> 00:44:20,200 more 1104 00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:31,420 starting to get really interested in 1105 00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:33,640 that all right well I hope everybody has 1106 00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:35,800 a good week take care be safe for you 1107 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:37,030 elite members will be speaking to you on 1108 00:44:40,109 --> 00:44:38,770 Thursday for everybody else we'll be 1109 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:40,119 speaking to you again next Monday I'm